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	<title>Comments on: Bill Johnson and Bethel Church: A Revival Culture</title>
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		<title>By: The &#8220;Wake&#8221; of Obedience &#124; The King&#039;s Crumbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>The &#8220;Wake&#8221; of Obedience &#124; The King&#039;s Crumbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 22:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] To read up more about the revival culture at Bethel, take a quick read through the great quotes on this charismatica blog site.  Be careful though, they might challenge you into a sphere of risk that may cost you.   http://www.charismatica.com/2007/06/23/bill-johnson-and-bethel-church-a-revival-culture/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] To read up more about the revival culture at Bethel, take a quick read through the great quotes on this charismatica blog site.  Be careful though, they might challenge you into a sphere of risk that may cost you.   http://www.charismatica.com/2007/06/23/bill-johnson-and-bethel-church-a-revival-culture/ [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 03:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheryl u,
Sorry, --&quot;to say that “he laid his divinity aside” as he has said on more than one occassion, is saying He no longer had His divinity with Him when He was on the earth.&quot;--you are still wrong here. As you admit Bill teaches that Jesus was both God and man when he was on the earth &lt;strong&gt;period&lt;/strong&gt;. He is not saying that he no longer had his divinity while on earth.

As I said earlier, it is a paraphrase of Philippians 2:6-8---the Son of God put aside his divine prerogatives and lived as a man voluntarily with human limitations–he got hungry, he got tired, and he suffered pain. Nevertheless, He was still fully God and fully man. He lived as a man with voluntary limitations yet still had access to his divine attributes which was demonstrated on numerous occasions.

I get it that maybe you don&#039;t like his teaching and some of the things he has to say, but nothing that I have ever read or heard him say is actually theologically heretical. I am pretty tired of all the nitpicking and out of context quotes that folks have tried to use against him.

**Note: After a year and a half I am finally closing the comment line on this article. Nearly all of the comments to date have violated &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.charismatica.com/8226comment-policy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my comment policy&lt;/a&gt; in some way or another and I don&#039;t expect it to get any better. Of the 40+ comments, only a couple actually referred to my original article. I doubt that most of commentors ever even bothered to read it in the first place.

Blessings,
Dr. Michael G. Davis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheryl u,<br />
Sorry, &#8211;&#8221;to say that “he laid his divinity aside” as he has said on more than one occassion, is saying He no longer had His divinity with Him when He was on the earth.&#8221;&#8211;you are still wrong here. As you admit Bill teaches that Jesus was both God and man when he was on the earth <strong>period</strong>. He is not saying that he no longer had his divinity while on earth.</p>
<p>As I said earlier, it is a paraphrase of Philippians 2:6-8&#8212;the Son of God put aside his divine prerogatives and lived as a man voluntarily with human limitations–he got hungry, he got tired, and he suffered pain. Nevertheless, He was still fully God and fully man. He lived as a man with voluntary limitations yet still had access to his divine attributes which was demonstrated on numerous occasions.</p>
<p>I get it that maybe you don&#8217;t like his teaching and some of the things he has to say, but nothing that I have ever read or heard him say is actually theologically heretical. I am pretty tired of all the nitpicking and out of context quotes that folks have tried to use against him.</p>
<p>**Note: After a year and a half I am finally closing the comment line on this article. Nearly all of the comments to date have violated <a href="http://www.charismatica.com/8226comment-policy/" rel="nofollow">my comment policy</a> in some way or another and I don&#8217;t expect it to get any better. Of the 40+ comments, only a couple actually referred to my original article. I doubt that most of commentors ever even bothered to read it in the first place.</p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
Dr. Michael G. Davis</p>
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		<title>By: cheryl u</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheryl u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 00:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, for the record here.  I have been doing more reading from Bill Johnson.  I see he has said in other places that Jesus was both God and man.  However, to say that &quot;he laid his divinity aside&quot; as he has said on more than one occassion, is saying He no longer had His divinity with Him when He was on the earth.  Bill Johnson can&#039;t have it both ways.  He has to mean one or the other, or at best he needs to clarify his language so that when people read what he says they do not get a totally wrong idea of what he means.  And I am certainly not the only one that has understood him very literally on this issue!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, for the record here.  I have been doing more reading from Bill Johnson.  I see he has said in other places that Jesus was both God and man.  However, to say that &#8220;he laid his divinity aside&#8221; as he has said on more than one occassion, is saying He no longer had His divinity with Him when He was on the earth.  Bill Johnson can&#8217;t have it both ways.  He has to mean one or the other, or at best he needs to clarify his language so that when people read what he says they do not get a totally wrong idea of what he means.  And I am certainly not the only one that has understood him very literally on this issue!</p>
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		<title>By: cheryl u</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheryl u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

I need to amend my last comment to you.  I just discovered that I misquoted Mr. Johnson about the anointing being Jesus connection to the divine.  Actually he said the anointing was Jesus, the man&#039;s connection to the divine.  That may have a different connotation.  However, I can&#039;t change my mind any about what he seems to say about Jesus laying His divinity aside.  I&#039;m sorry about my error above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>I need to amend my last comment to you.  I just discovered that I misquoted Mr. Johnson about the anointing being Jesus connection to the divine.  Actually he said the anointing was Jesus, the man&#8217;s connection to the divine.  That may have a different connotation.  However, I can&#8217;t change my mind any about what he seems to say about Jesus laying His divinity aside.  I&#8217;m sorry about my error above.</p>
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		<title>By: cheryl u</title>
		<link>http://www.charismatica.com/2007/06/23/bill-johnson-and-bethel-church-a-revival-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-24432</link>
		<dc:creator>cheryl u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

Sorry Michael, but the plain meaning of putting aside divine prerogatives and laying His divinity aside, are in my mind, two vastly different things. It is one thing to lay aside some of the things that go with divinity.  It is another all together to lay your divinity aside.  Maybe he is not very clear in his meaning, but if you take what he says literally, he is saying exactly what I said he was.  Bill Johnson is also quoted as saying that everything Jesus did on the earth was as a man in right relationship with the Father and that the anointing was his connection with divinity.  If Bill means he was fully God as you claim, why in the world would He need the anointing to connect Him with divinity?  To say that He was fully God but that the way He was connected to God was through the anointing makes absolutely no sence whatsoever.  I am not saying at all that I believe the Holy Spirit wasn&#039;t working through Jesus while He was on this earth.  I just simply don&#039;t think Bill Johnson&#039;s statements make any sence at all if he does indeed believe that Jesus was fully divine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>Sorry Michael, but the plain meaning of putting aside divine prerogatives and laying His divinity aside, are in my mind, two vastly different things. It is one thing to lay aside some of the things that go with divinity.  It is another all together to lay your divinity aside.  Maybe he is not very clear in his meaning, but if you take what he says literally, he is saying exactly what I said he was.  Bill Johnson is also quoted as saying that everything Jesus did on the earth was as a man in right relationship with the Father and that the anointing was his connection with divinity.  If Bill means he was fully God as you claim, why in the world would He need the anointing to connect Him with divinity?  To say that He was fully God but that the way He was connected to God was through the anointing makes absolutely no sence whatsoever.  I am not saying at all that I believe the Holy Spirit wasn&#8217;t working through Jesus while He was on this earth.  I just simply don&#8217;t think Bill Johnson&#8217;s statements make any sence at all if he does indeed believe that Jesus was fully divine.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.charismatica.com/2007/06/23/bill-johnson-and-bethel-church-a-revival-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-24397</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheryl u,
I am tired of all the slander against Bill Johnson. The quote here is a paraphrase of Philippians 2:6-8--If you don&#039;t like it take it up with Paul and the Holy Spirit who inspired it.

It is a fact that the Son of God put aside his divine prerogatives and lived as a man without sin---voluntarily with human limitations--he got hungry, he got tired, and he suffered pain. No major Christian theologian would disagree. He was fully God and fully man.

Notice the last line:  &quot;...and then die in the place of mankind for sin.”--how could he die in the place of all mankind--only because he was divine. The line confirms his divinity--it doesn&#039;t say that he died on the cross as merely a man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheryl u,<br />
I am tired of all the slander against Bill Johnson. The quote here is a paraphrase of Philippians 2:6-8&#8211;If you don&#8217;t like it take it up with Paul and the Holy Spirit who inspired it.</p>
<p>It is a fact that the Son of God put aside his divine prerogatives and lived as a man without sin&#8212;voluntarily with human limitations&#8211;he got hungry, he got tired, and he suffered pain. No major Christian theologian would disagree. He was fully God and fully man.</p>
<p>Notice the last line:  &#8220;&#8230;and then die in the place of mankind for sin.”&#8211;how could he die in the place of all mankind&#8211;only because he was divine. The line confirms his divinity&#8211;it doesn&#8217;t say that he died on the cross as merely a man.</p>
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		<title>By: cheryl u</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheryl u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TruthDiscern,

I realize that this is a very old thread.  But I read your question wanting verification that Bill Johnson believed Jesus was just a man and not God when He died on the cross.  I just came across a lenghty review of his book, &quot;When Heaven Invades Earth&quot;.  Here is the link to that site:  http://books.google.com/books?id=msDOo0EM6ucC&amp;pg=PA79&amp;lpg=PA79&amp;dq=bill+johnson+Jesus+laid+aside+divinity&amp;source=web&amp;ots=9TK8GFk24q&amp;sig=0ATWPAlV1Z6Yeh-5f4e_a6t2oUY&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;resnum=5&amp;ct=result#PPA79,M1

Note that on page 79 he says, &quot;Jesus lived His life with human limitations. He laid His divinity aside&#039; as He sought to fulfill the assignment given Him by the Father:  to live life as a man without sin, and then die in the place of mankind for sin.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TruthDiscern,</p>
<p>I realize that this is a very old thread.  But I read your question wanting verification that Bill Johnson believed Jesus was just a man and not God when He died on the cross.  I just came across a lenghty review of his book, &#8220;When Heaven Invades Earth&#8221;.  Here is the link to that site:  <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=msDOo0EM6ucC&#038;pg=PA79&#038;lpg=PA79&#038;dq=bill+johnson+Jesus+laid+aside+divinity&#038;source=web&#038;ots=9TK8GFk24q&#038;sig=0ATWPAlV1Z6Yeh-5f4e_a6t2oUY&#038;hl=en&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=book_result&#038;resnum=5&#038;ct=result#PPA79,M1" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=msDOo0EM6ucC&#038;pg=PA79&#038;lpg=PA79&#038;dq=bill+johnson+Jesus+laid+aside+divinity&#038;source=web&#038;ots=9TK8GFk24q&#038;sig=0ATWPAlV1Z6Yeh-5f4e_a6t2oUY&#038;hl=en&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=book_result&#038;resnum=5&#038;ct=result#PPA79,M1</a></p>
<p>Note that on page 79 he says, &#8220;Jesus lived His life with human limitations. He laid His divinity aside&#8217; as He sought to fulfill the assignment given Him by the Father:  to live life as a man without sin, and then die in the place of mankind for sin.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder whether those (above) who debate and criticize one another - even with the occasional &quot;bone&quot; of gratuituous comment - have (1) met one another (2) have ever shared a platform / pulpit with one another (3) have ever confessed weaknesses / sins to one another and sought prayer for healing (4) have fasted and cried out to God for one another&#039;s blessing / anointing / prosperity (5) defended one another in the face of unjust criticism......i.e. acted as Christians toward one another instead of passing judgment on another flawed human being.

I wonder whether any heathen, backslidden, oppressed, rebellious, broken, deceived, addicted, or discouraged people (i.e. folk for whom Jesus shed His blood) ---reading your blogs -- are NOW inspired to trust their eternal souls to Jesus because you can wordsmith human knowledge and wisdom better than the other one can.

Get a life! A prayer life..a sacrificial life..a serving life.......a loving life...a gracious life..........and let God be the judge of His church....just as he is the Savior of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder whether those (above) who debate and criticize one another &#8211; even with the occasional &#8220;bone&#8221; of gratuituous comment &#8211; have (1) met one another (2) have ever shared a platform / pulpit with one another (3) have ever confessed weaknesses / sins to one another and sought prayer for healing (4) have fasted and cried out to God for one another&#8217;s blessing / anointing / prosperity (5) defended one another in the face of unjust criticism&#8230;&#8230;i.e. acted as Christians toward one another instead of passing judgment on another flawed human being.</p>
<p>I wonder whether any heathen, backslidden, oppressed, rebellious, broken, deceived, addicted, or discouraged people (i.e. folk for whom Jesus shed His blood) &#8212;reading your blogs &#8212; are NOW inspired to trust their eternal souls to Jesus because you can wordsmith human knowledge and wisdom better than the other one can.</p>
<p>Get a life! A prayer life..a sacrificial life..a serving life&#8230;&#8230;.a loving life&#8230;a gracious life&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.and let God be the judge of His church&#8230;.just as he is the Savior of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks JO, Yes this is my blog and your comments are coming at the end of an article that I wrote about Bill Johnson and his church last year.

God Bless,
Michael</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks JO, Yes this is my blog and your comments are coming at the end of an article that I wrote about Bill Johnson and his church last year.</p>
<p>God Bless,<br />
Michael</p>
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		<title>By: Jo</title>
		<link>http://www.charismatica.com/2007/06/23/bill-johnson-and-bethel-church-a-revival-culture/comment-page-1/#comment-18708</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael,

I just want to apologise for writing comments on this blog. I actually typed into google &quot;bill johnson error&quot; and this blog came up.

I don&#039;t want to offend you and am I correct in thinking this is your blog?

Anyway love in Christ and God bless you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael,</p>
<p>I just want to apologise for writing comments on this blog. I actually typed into google &#8220;bill johnson error&#8221; and this blog came up.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to offend you and am I correct in thinking this is your blog?</p>
<p>Anyway love in Christ and God bless you.</p>
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