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		<title>Barack Obama a Fulfillment of Muslim Prophecy?</title>
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<p>Now the fun begins! Iran&#8217;s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejab has been talking about an apocalyptic Shia/Islamic scenario for several years now&#8211;predicting that &#8216;<a class="zem_slink" title="Muhammad al-Mahdi" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Mahdi" rel="wikipedia">the Hidden Imam</a>&#8216; would soon return as the end-time Mahdi that establishes Islamic rule over the entire world. </p>
<p>Following the election of Barack Obama, some Shities actually believe that Obama could be a possible fulfillment of an end-time Islamic prophecy. </p>
<p>I found the link to this at <a title="Link" href="http://www.smartchristian.com/?p=5649">SmartChristian.com</a> and in an <a title="Link to article by D. Pipes" href="http://www.danielpipes.org/article/6017">article by Daniel Pipes</a>. Here is a quote from the original article </p>
<p>by <a title="Link to article" href="http://www.forbes.com/2008/10/26/obama-iran-ahmadinejad-oped-cx_at_1026taheri_print.html">Amir Taheri</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>According to the tradition, <a class="zem_slink" title="Ali" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali" rel="wikipedia">Imam Ali Ibn Abi-Talib</a> (the prophet&#8217;s cousin and son-in-law) prophesied that at the End of Times and just before the return of the Mahdi, the Ultimate Saviour, a &quot;tall black man will assume the reins of government in the West.&quot; Commanding &quot;the strongest army on earth,&quot; the new ruler in the West will carry &quot;a clear sign&quot; from the third imam, whose name was Hussein Ibn Ali. The tradition concludes: &quot;Shiites should have no doubt that <i>he is with us</i>.&quot;</p>
<p>In a curious coincidence Obama&#8217;s first and second names&#8211;Barack Hussein&#8211;mean &quot;the blessing of Hussein&quot; in Arabic and Persian. His family name, Obama, written in the Persian alphabet, reads O Ba Ma, which means &quot;he is with us,&quot; the magic formula in Majlisi&#8217;s tradition.</p>
<p>Mystical reasons aside, the Khomeinist establishment sees Obama&#8217;s rise as another sign of the West&#8217;s decline and the triumph of Islam. Obama&#8217;s promise to seek unconditional talks with the Islamic Republic is cited as a sign that the U.S. is ready to admit defeat.&#160; </p>
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<p><strong>Response</strong>: This is crazy from a Christian perspective, but it is also scary in its implications. There are indications that Iranian leaders are exploring the possibility and may well plan accordingly.&#160; </p>
<p>If there is a perception that the USA is in decline under Obama&#8217;s administration and that he is an actual sign that Islam is about to rise up and dominate, the Iranian leaders might miscalculate and bring about an actual confrontation with Israel, the United States, and the West.</p>
<p>Pres. Ahmadinejab has already threatened Israel&#8217;s existence on a number of occasions. The Iranians last week tested some new missiles that could reach Israel and parts of Europe. If and when they actually go nuclear&#8211;then this scenario could end up having some serious consequences indeed. </p>
<p>It is doubtful that the Israelis would wait to act until a nuclear missile was actually in the air headed their way. Look for a strike well before the Iranians have that capability. One can only guess what the aftermath would bring&#8211;it would not be pretty and it could be apocalyptic.&#160;&#160; <a title="Top of Page" href="http://www.charismatica.com/">*Top</a>&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160; (Cross-posted at <a title="link" href="http://apologetica.us/2008/11/18/obama-ahmadinejab-and-a-shia-apocalyptic-scenario/">Apologetica</a>)</p>
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		<title>&#8220;The Anatomy of a Prophetic Word&#8221; by James W. Goll</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="style20">I just received the following from <a href="http://www.encountersnetwork.com/email_blasts/nov_2006_anatomy.htm" target="_blank">Encounters Network and James Goll</a>. James and Michal Ann Goll have recently teamed with Rolland and Heidi Baker on a number of occasions, and both are gifted in prophetic ministry. Since there seems to be a continuing discussion about the prophetic on this website (and I certainly welcome it), this short outline message about prophecy- evaluation and application -would seem to be on target and helpful.  For some of you, this will probably be quite elementary but still a useful review:  <span id="more-49"></span></p>
<p class="style20">&#8220;The Anatomy of a Prophetic Word&#8221;</p>
<p class="style20"><a href="http://www.jamesgoll.com" target="_blank">by James W. Goll</a>  (Vision Cast November 2006)</p>
<p class="style20">There are a number of factors that must be taken into consideration considering revelatory gifts.  Failure to understand these factors can lead to dismissing a genuine word as being &#8220;off&#8221; or missing the impact that God intended for it to give.  Therefore it behooves us to learn the many facets concerning the anatomy of a prophetic word.  <!--more--></p>
<p class="style383">I. REVELATION</p>
<blockquote>
<p class="style384">A. Its Source</p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<p class="style375"><strong>1. God &#8211; I Jn. 4:1</strong>, &#8220;&#8230;test the spirits to see whether they are from God&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>2. Self &#8211; Jer. 23:21</strong> &#8220;&#8230;I did not speak to them, but they prophesied.&#8221; See also Ezek. 13:1-2.</p>
<p><strong>3. Satanic</strong></p></blockquote>
<blockquote>
<p class="style375">a. I Jn. 4:3 &#8220;&#8230;this is the spirit of the antichrist&#8230;&#8221;<br />
b. Mt. 16:23 &#8211; &#8220;&#8230;Get behind me, Satan!&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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<p class="style375"><strong><font size="3"><span class="style384">B. Modes of Revelation</span><br />
</font></strong>Numbers 12:6, &#8220;&#8230;Hear now my words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the Lord, shall make myself known to Him&#8230;&#8221; through:</p>
<blockquote>
<p class="style385">1. A vision.</p>
<p class="style385">2. A dream.</p>
<p class="style385">3. Mouth to mouth.</p>
<p class="style385">4. Dark sayings.</p>
<p class="style385">5. Parables &#8211; Hos. 12:10.</p>
<p class="style385">6. Natural things &#8211; Jer. 18:1.</p>
</blockquote>
<p class="style383">II. INTERPRETATION</p>
<p class="style383"><strong><font size="3"><span class="style384">A. Bring the Two Together</span><br />
</font></strong>The following scriptural references show how revelation must be wedded with proper interpretation. Numerous genuine words have been judged as false because of a wrong interpretation.
</p>
<p class="style383"><strong>1. Acts 10:9-17 </strong>- &#8230;Peter was greatly perplexed in mind as to what the vision which he had seen (revelation) might be (interpretation)&#8230; (v. 17).</p>
<blockquote>
<p class="style375"><strong>2. I Pet. 1:10-11</strong> &#8211; &#8230;seeking to know what person or time (interpretation) the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating (revelation) as He predicted the sufferings of Christ&#8230; (v. 11).</p>
<p class="style375"><strong>3. Zech. 1:8-9 </strong>- I saw at night (revelation)&#8230;then I said, &#8220;&#8230;what are these?&#8221;&#8230; (interpretation).</p>
<p class="style375"><strong>4. Dan. 8:15 </strong>- &#8230;I, Daniel had seen the vision (revelation)&#8230;that I sought to understand it&#8230; (interpretation).</p>
<p class="style375"><strong>5. Acts 16:10</strong> &#8211; And when he had seen (revelation) the vision&#8230;concluding (interpretation) that God had called us&#8230;</p>
<p class="style375"><strong>6. Gen. 40:5-13</strong> &#8211; Then Joseph said to him, &#8220;This is the interpretation of it&#8221;&#8230; (v. 12).</p>
<p class="style375"><strong>7. Gen. 41:25</strong> &#8211; Now Joseph said&#8230;&#8221;God has told to Pharaoh what He is about to do.&#8221;</p>
</blockquote>
<p class="style383">III. APPLICATION</p>
<blockquote>
<p class="style384">A. Comparison of Acts 21:10 and Acts 20:23</p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<p class="style375"><strong>1.</strong> We&#8230;began begging him not to go up to Jerusalem.. (Acts 21:12).</p>
<p class="style375"><strong>2. </strong>Notice that those who heard Agabus were convinced that God was warning Paul not to go to Jerusalem. Paul, however, interpreted the word differently. This obviously made his application the exact opposite of what others had hoped it would be. Paul received the word not as a warning not to go, but as a confirmation of his sensing that he was to count the cost of what lay ahead.</p>
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<p class="style383">IV. APPROPRIATION</p>
<p class="style375">Various keys unlock God&#8217;s prophetic word to be appropriated or fulfilled<br />
in our lives. The following are some simple keys:</p>
<blockquote>
<p class="style375"><strong><font size="3"><span class="style384">A. Faith</span><br />
</font></strong>Heb. 4:2 &#8211; &#8230;the word&#8230;did not profit&#8230;because it was not united by (with) faith&#8230;</p>
<p class="style375"><strong><font size="3"><span class="style384">B. Right Soil</span><br />
</font></strong>Lk. 8:4 &#8211; The parable of the sower of the seed portrays the importance of having the proper condition of the soil of your heart. The same seed was sowed to all, but had various results, due to the condition of the soil.</p>
<p class="style375"><strong><font size="3"><span class="style384">C. Diligence in Seeking</span><br />
</font></strong>Dan. 9:2-3,16 &#8211; Here Daniel finds that the desolation of Jerusalem is to be for 70 years. His response was to give himself to seeking the face of the Lord through prayer and fasting.</p>
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<p class="style375" align="justify">V.  Conditions</p>
<p class="style375" align="justify">What are the conditions that must be met so that the promise can be fulfilled? Sometimes, these conditions are present in the heart of God, but are not spoken to the mind of man. Therefore questions must be asked.</p>
<blockquote>
<p class="style375"><strong><font size="3"><span class="style384">A. Jeremiah 18:8 </span><br />
</font></strong>&#8230;if that nation&#8230;turns&#8230;</p>
<p class="style375"><strong><font size="3"><span class="style384">B. II Chronicles 7:14 </span><br />
</font></strong>If My people who are called by My name&#8230; (NKJ)</p>
<p class="style375"><strong><font size="3"><span class="style384">C. Jonah 3:4-10 </span><br />
</font></strong>Yet forty days and Ninevah will be overthrown&#8230;God relented.</p>
<p class="style375"><strong><font size="3"><span class="style384">D. II Kings 20:1-6 </span><br />
</font></strong>&#8230;Set your house in order, for you shall die and not live.</p>
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<p class="style383">VI. THE TIMING OF A MATTER</p>
<p class="style375">There is a &#8216;Karios&#8217; appointed and strategic timing for a matter to come into being. This takes patience and wisdom to discern.</p>
<blockquote>
<p class="style375"><strong><font size="3"><span class="style384">A. Genesis 37:5-8 </span><br />
</font></strong>&#8230;Joseph had a dream&#8230;.&#8221;Are you really going to rule over us?&#8221;</p>
<p class="style375"><span class="style384"><strong><font size="3">B. Habakkuk 2:3</font></strong></span><br />
For the vision is yet for the appointed time&#8230;though it tarries, wait&#8230;</p>
<p class="style375"><strong><font size="3"><span class="style384">C. Galatians 4:4 </span><br />
</font></strong>&#8230;when the fullness of&#8230;time had come, God sent forth His Son&#8230; (NKJ)</p>
<p class="style375"><strong><font size="3"><span class="style384">D. Mark 4:28 </span><br />
</font></strong>The soil produces&#8230;first the blade, then the head, then the mature grain&#8230;</p>
<p class="style375"><strong><font size="3"><span class="style384">E. Isaiah 9:6 </span><br />
</font></strong>For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given&#8230; (NKJ)</p>
</blockquote>
<p class="style383">VII. MOTIVATION</p>
<p class="style375">God looks deeply into the heart of man. What is our true inner motivation? Do we want glory for the Lord or promotion before man?</p>
<blockquote>
<p class="style375"><strong><font size="3"><span class="style384">A. Ezekiel 14:4-5</span><br />
</font></strong>&#8230;Any man&#8230;who sets up his idols in his heart, puts right before his face the stumbling block of his iniquity, and then comes to the prophet&#8230;give&#8230;an answer (according to)&#8230;his idols&#8230;</p>
<p class="style375"><strong><font size="3"><span class="style384">B. Psalm 106:13-15 </span><br />
</font></strong>They quickly forgot His works; they did not wait for His counsel, but craved&#8230;and tempted God&#8230;so He gave them their request&#8230;(NASB) but sent leanness into their soul (NKJ).</p>
</blockquote>
<p class="style383">VIII. CONTRADICTION</p>
<p class="style375" align="justify">In some occasions, the Holy Spirit has spoken very clearly. However, the birth of the promise can appear differently than expected, especially in infant stages. Again we must cry out to the Lord that we miss not the day of visitation due to the manner of which that promise has first appeared.</p>
<blockquote>
<p class="style375"><strong><font size="3"><span class="style384">A. Isaiah 9:6 </span><br />
</font></strong>For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given&#8230; (NKJ)</p>
<p class="style375"><strong><font size="3"><span class="style384">B. Matthew 1:18-25</span><br />
</font></strong>&#8230;Joseph her husband, being a righteous man, and not wanting to disgrace her, desired to put her away secretly&#8230;(Joseph was changed from being a man of principle into a man of faith).</p>
<p class="style375"><strong><font size="3"><span class="style384">C. I Kings 18:41</span><br />
</font></strong>&#8230;There is the sound of the roar of a heavy shower.</p>
</blockquote>
<p class="style383">IX. DISCERNING PROPERLY</p>
<p class="style375" align="justify">We must be careful how we listen. One of the potential problems for the prophetic person is that he is assumed to be in the &#8216;prophetic mode&#8217; all the time and every time he speaks. This not only shows lack of wisdom on the part of the listener, it also dishonors the prophetic person. Let us prayerfully, and with godly trusted counsel, seek proper discernment.</p>
<blockquote>
<p class="style375"><strong><font size="3"><span class="style384">A. II Samuel 7:1-15</span><br />
</font></strong>&#8230;Nathan the prophet&#8230;said&#8230;&#8221;Go, do all that is in your mind&#8230;the Lord is with you&#8221;&#8230;Go&#8230;say to&#8230;David, &#8220;Are you the one who should build me a house&#8230;?&#8221;</p>
<p class="style375"><strong><font size="3"><span class="style384">B. I Samuel 16:6-7 (Samuel)</span><br />
</font></strong>&#8230;He looked&#8230;and thought, &#8220;Surely the Lord&#8217;s anointed is&#8230;BUT THE LORD SAID&#8230;</p>
</blockquote>
<p class="style383">X. FINAL STATEMENT</p>
<p class="style375">When all of these wisdom perimeters are put in place, let&#8217;s create an atmosphere of faith and ask the Holy Spirit to move freely. Let us not err on the side of &#8216;license&#8217;, nor on the side by &#8216;stifling&#8221;the Holy Spirit&#8217;s presence and power. But with these understandings in place, let us walk on into fruitful prophetic maturation.</p>
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		<title>Over 80 Testimonies From Youth Who Attended &#8216;Jesus Culture 2006&#8242;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Almost hate to see July go, it is like we have been lifted to another level! July started with a Youth conference-&#8217;Jesus Culture, Southern California 2006&#8242;, hosted at my home church, VCC Laguna Niguel. Bill Johnson and a team from Redding led the conference. Todd Bentley was scheduled to come also, but ran into transportation [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost hate to see July go, it is like we have been lifted to another level! July started with a Youth conference-&#8217;Jesus Culture, Southern California 2006&#8242;, hosted at my home church, VCC Laguna Niguel.  Bill Johnson and a team from Redding led the conference.  Todd Bentley was scheduled to come also, but ran into transportation problems.  Most importantly, the Holy Spirit did come and blast the kids and everyone there. During the conference, they sent out the youth in teams to minister in the area. They went to places like WalMart, Target, shopping malls, High Schools, and beaches.  If you want to be uplifted and blasted also, read some of the testimonies of what happened! <a href="http://vccgn.org/outreach/testimony.htm" target="_blank">&#8230;Many healings, many brought to Christ, many words of knowledge, many kids on fire for the Kingdom&#8230;</a> </p>
<p>Since then, we sent out a team to minister with Randy Clark at a conference in Brazil, and right now there is another team of youth ministering for several weeks in Mozambique with Rolland and Heidi Baker.  Can&#8217;t wait to hear their reports. </p>
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